2/2/98 - hi, doc, You must stop using wrong titles and names! period! No help! it is not "either or" as you still suggest by such publications! PLIM??? help me! trust in Yahshua not either or??? love Yahshua - Sn
RESPONSE: Hi Sn, Thank you for visiting our site. Sorry I could not get back to you sooner. I have been very busy updating my site.
Many people think because they know the true name literally that they have salvation and to use any other name, such as Lord, God, or Jesus Christ, is blasphemy.
I used to think that for the first 2 or 3 years after I learned the true names, which was 20 years ago. But as I grew in understanding by the holy spirit, I realized the name represents spiritual principles. My purpose is to teach the masses the principles of the Messiah and not the literal name.
Now Israel at the time of Yahshua the Messiah's ministry knew his NAME and called him by it. Yet they rejected Him in spite of all the miracles He performed (Jn. 12:35-41).
Even His disciples knew His NAME and were given power to performed various miracles, yet they could not heal some men or cast out all demons. This was because, as the Messiah said, they had no FAITH (Mat. 7:16-22).
Without the principles of Love, Faith, Patience, Faith, Commitment, etc., knowing the True Names means nothing.
Isaiah wrote the following to show forth that Yahshua the Messiah is a body of principles.
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace (Isa. 9:6). Yahshua is the Tree of Life meaning He is the "Fruits of the Spirits (Gal. 5:22)."
My brother or sister, the hour is far gone for milk or knowing the True Names literally. The Messiah said: "And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days (Mt. 24:19)!"
What is needed now is MEAT; (i.e, not only a knowledge of the spirit accordance to the Bible, but an experience with the Holy Spirit (Jn. 14:26).
Because you know someone's name means nothing if you had not intercoursed with them. By this we mean having visions, dreams, hearing His still small voice, etc. It is these things that confirm the True reality of the True names. Remember, the teachers of Israel knew the TRUE NAMES, but they rejected Yahshua.
I hope this has enlightened you on the true principle of the TRUE NAMES and has allowed you to move on to perfection that are the fruits of the spirit.
Lee Warren
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2/13/98 - Brother Lee, I am impressed with your attitude! and do understand what you mean, you're like a mirror? it seems we may be able to discuss all things! we could be the missing link for each other in Yahshua??? we are! I'll drop you a line. with some substance: witnesses, praise Yahweh through Yahshua the messiah. peace and love in Yahshua. - Sn
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2/13/98- Brother Lee, could you explain the topic and use some scriptural references? Were we all (men) born with a satanic spirit, a carnal mind and a physical body? Were all men those fallen angels? Praise Yahshua for your help. Sn
RESPONSE: Hi Sn,
I assume u are a student of IDMR. This is the dogma of Robert Harris, which has its origin in the 1980s.
The question I have to ask u then, is, are u a man worshipper or Truth seeker? Remember that it is the truth that will set u free (John 8:32) and the truth is not a man. Yahshua said, "I am the Way, the Light and Truth (John 14:6)." So, first of all, the Truth exists within you and what has been revealed to me has to be confirmed in you by the Holy Spirit. The Messiah said, "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come (Jn. 16:13 see Jn. 14:26)."
Are all men fallen angels?
The answer is NO. Just getting the Biblical facts straight would lead one to conclude that believing men are fallen angels is an error. Anyone who believes this has no understanding of the scriptures from a literal standpoint. Let us look at the proof according to the scriptures. My explanation will be brief and to the point:
To answer this question one must understand that Elohim created two creations, the physical and the angelic. Now the angelic creation was created first and ran it course. The Bible gives very little detail about what happened in the angelic realm. It does say there was a war in heaven and Lucifer and his Host were cast out into the earth (Rev. 12:7-9). John in his vision wrote the following:
"Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time (Rev 12:12)."
Clearly, John is warning "the inhabiters of the earth" to beware of the Devil. So the "Fallen angels" cannot be "the inhabiters of the earth," for John said: "&the Devil is come down unto you." To equate the Devil and his host with the earthly inhabitants they are coming to torment would not make any sense. Simply put, the Devil and his host need a prey and "the inhabiters of the earth" are it. The inhabitants of the earth are human creatures that did not exist in the angelic realm and cannot be the Devil or his host.
Moses confirmed this in his vision when he saw Elohim create the first Man Adam (Gn. 1:26). Now Adam's body was taken from the dust of the earth and Elohim "breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul (Gen 2:7)."
What this means is that Elohim created a soul to inhabitant Adam's physical body that had no prior existence in the angelic realm. This is like the sperm you carry in your loins. It has no prior physical existence until it impregnates an ovum (Rom. 1:19-20). Since seed bears seed after its own kind (Gn. 1:22-28), then Adam's and Eve's seed cannot be fallen angels because angels cannot bear forth human beings.
Finally, Paul quotes David in the following verse that says man was made lower than the angels. "But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him (Heb 2:6-8)."
Here again we see the distinction between the angelic creatures and the earthly creatures created for this realm. Thus, mankind absolutely and categorically was not, and has never been, fallen angels.
To add insult to injury, the Apostle Peter wrote: "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment (2 Pet 2:4)."
Here Peter is saying that the "fallen angels" were chained to darkness. The question then is how can the Messiah resurrect them.
Sn, my brother, I hope this answers the question and gives you some insight.
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2/10/98- Why are people so resistant to change? Specifically, why don't IDMR students embrace PLIM? - Concerned
RESPONSE: Dear Concerned,
When Instituters reject and disapprove of PLIM, I have to remember that people are resistant to change for several reasons. It's the law of inertia. "In physics matter tends to remain at rest if at rest, or, if moving, to keep moving in the same direction, unless affected by some outside force." Inertia is: "a tendency to remain in a fixed condition without change; disinclination to move or act (Webster's New World Dictionary)."
Did you know that major newspapers ignored the historic Wright Brothers flight in 1903 because Scientific American claimed it was a hoax. According to Trends 2000 by Gerald Celente: "For the next five years-with the Wright Brothers routinely flying test flights around the field at Kitty Hawk-experts continued to argue that heavier-than-air machines were scientifically impossible (p. 306)." Try to find this book. It predicts trends based on facts that you never hear on the news. The media tends to misrepresent, misinform, or distract people from important issues of the day. Therefore, you cannot make decisions about your future because the media presents you with Clinton's sexual exploits, O'Jay's alleged murder of his wife, and Ms. Bobbitt's castration of her husband.
The tendency to oppose change is universal. Doctors were even resistant of the practice of washing their hands before they delivered babies. The common practice in obstetric wards was to dissect cadavers in the basement of the hospital, then go upstairs and treat pregnant women. They wondered why the mortality rate was so high. One doctor, Ignaz Philipp Semmelweis (1818-65) in Vienna, Austria, noticed that the mortality rate was lower in a hospital tended by midwives who were very attentive to hygiene and personal cleanliness. When he began to require the physicians in his hospital to wash their hands after all autopsies and the mortality rate fell from 9.92% to 3.8% the first year and 1.27% the year after, his colleagues were outraged. They literally ran the man out of Vienna to insanity and he finally committed suicide. After some time, handwashing to decrease the mortality rate became accepted by all. (This was from an article written by Larry Dossey in the March 1995, Vol. 1, No. 1 Alternative Therapies magazine.)
The Arabs harassed Mohammed when he preached Allah, the one and only God, in the face of 360 gods worshipped at that time. Those who made money merchandizing religion ridiculed, disrespected, and persecuted him. They did not want to accept Islam any more than the Jewish religious leaders wanted to accept the Messiah. We know what happened when the Messiah started a Spiritual revolution during His ministry. The Scribes and Pharisees accused Him of blasphemy and breaking the Law of Moses. He began a transition from performing ceremonies and rituals to having faith in Yahweh. The priests were outraged because this undermined all the works Israel paid them to do.
It appears that the first person to initiate change is always mocked and taunted. It is to be expected. Don't despair. Most Instituters want to stay at the same point in history as when Dr. Kinley was alive. They do not want to change from spreading the gospel by giving conventions in hotels and holding classes three times a week to small groups of non-growing audiences to using the Internet, the most inexpensive technology available, that allows working class people to reach the entire world. How many conventions and classes would we have to hold to reach 6 billion people. Unfortunately, this limited outreach is short-sighted. Keeping things as they always have been allows them complete rule over a small, motley group of folk. No one grows, but the leaders get to stay in charge. It's easier to negatively label those who are trying to get the message to the masses than to do the job themselves. The harvest is great, but the laborers are few.
Penny Warren
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11/10/97 - Hello Sir, In one of your articles you made the comment that the Bible was one Holy book as if to say that there more than one Holy book exists. Are there more than one Holy Book and if so, name them?
Thanks in advance, - LE
Halleluyah!
RESPONSE: Hi LE, Thanks for visiting our webpage. How did u find out about our site?
To answer your question fully, I need to know the article u are referring to that mentions Holy Books.
Now I will say this generally about Holy Books.
U have to remember that the Bible was never put together in the form we have it now. There were individual books or scrolls as those found in the Dead Sea scrolls in 1945. Each one of these prophets' books are Holy, as Elohim instructed them.
One must also realize that the Bible we have has been censured. The King James version is a Protestant version of the Bible, which differs from the Roman Catholic version. It has 14 more books, called the apocryphal, than the King James Version.
The final question that must asked to understand if there are Holy books other than the Christian "Bible" is:
Has Elohim appeared in visions, dreams, and revelations (Num. 12:6), to other races and tribes other than Israel, the Apostles of the Messiah, and the Christians?
If the answer is yes and they wrote it down those divine words and images, then one would have to say their book is also holy. For example, the dream of King Nebuchadnezzar that Daniel interpreted (Dn. 2nd chap) still would be holy if the king wrote it down and Daniel never interpreted it.
The prophecy that Baalam the prophet, a Gentile, saw of a star rising out of Israel was holy. He had the power to curse and bless from Elohim before Israel came out of Egypt (Num. 24:1-2). The prophecies he uttered by the Holy Spirit were holy, especially the one about the concerning of the Messiah (Num. 24:17. If they were written in another book other than the Bible, would this disannul their divine source?
So LE, no one should limit Elohim and say who he has or has not visited. Keep in mind that He is unlimited and operates beyond the box we put Him in.
I encourage you to continue seeking the truth. May the Messiah bless you.
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11/2/97 - Hello, You have some interesting articles on your web site. Do you have any information on the fruits of the Holy Spirit? What about gifts of the spirit?
Have you heard of a book called the Bible Code. Some mathematicians say that there is a whole other book embedded inside the Hebrew text of the Bible and that it is written in code and that you would need a computer to decipher it. They have found the code and have predicted major world events that was written in the Bible thousands of years ago. The bible predicted that the book would be sealed until the time of the end.
Do you have any information on the validity of this discovery??
RESPONSE: Hi, Thanks for visiting our site.
We have no specific article on the "fruits of the spirit," but have discussed this topic in numerous articles. We will put "fruits of the spirit" on our list of future articles. It will appear in either Nov-Dec97 or Jan-Feb98 PLIM issues.
As u know, not every article in each PLIM issue is put on the website; only selected articles. To guarantee u get this article, u can buy this single issue for $8.00 or get the yearly subscription for $25.00.
You also asked about the book Bible Codes. There is an article coming out in Jan-Feb 98 PLIM on this topic.
Concerning prophecies in the Bible not sealed until the end of time, that is a misunderstood by Christendom.
Now the Old Testament was sealed until the coming of the Messiah. He was the one that opened the seal of the book or fulfilled the prophecies that testified of Him (Jn. 5:39). Remember His mission was to fulfill the Old Testament (law and the prophets see Mat. 5:17-18). He told His disciples that He had to fulfill all the things in the Old Testament (Lk. 24:44-47) and He opened their understanding that they might understand the scriptures. This is what Daniel saw that was not revealed to him in the 12th chp.
Dan. 12:9: "And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end." Now "the time of the end" is not the end of the universe as many believe in error, but the end was the coming of the Messiah because He brought that world that was worshipping Elohim (God) according to the Law of Moses to an end (Rom. 10:4) and ushered in a world where the true worshippers worshipped Yahweh in "Spirit and Truth (Jn. 4:21-24)."
Even Revelation is not sealed completely. Some of it is known and other parts are sealed. For example, we all know that the Lamb of God (Elohim) have been sacrificed-the Messiah and the seals of the Old Testament have been loosened. Now we await the plagues that will be put on Mystery Babylon and the burning of the harlot by the beast with the 10 horns. This has not been revealed. Now many Christian sects have their own interpretation, but they will be proven wrong.
I hope this answers your questions.
Lee Warren
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10/3/97 - Hi, Lee and Penny. I was wondering what your perspective is on current U.S. and Asian stock markets. I benefit greatly from different perspectives and hope you have something on this! - LK
Thanks,
RESPONSE: Hi Linda, I do not have a perspective, but I can prove that we are heading for a world depression soon.
I wrote a number of papers in the early 1980's that I sent to Dr. Harris and the board and the U.S. government. One of the things Yahweh showed me is that there is going to be a world-wide depression coming soon. This is a prelude. My error was thinking it would be in 1989-90.
There will be an article on this and Jubilee in Nov-Dec 97 PLIM report whether this will be put on the net I do not know.
LK, the way IDMR believes the end is coming is totally wrong. They ignore the events that John saw in Revelation. The next couple of years of this millennium (1998--2000AD) and from 2001-2005 will hold profound changes for the nations of this world. It is going to the biggest mess mankind did ever seen.
Watch for the PLIM update
Lee and Penny
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9/14/97 - Do you have any information regarding I COR. 11:1-16? My question is in regard to "headship," that of the man over the woman, and also of the women being in subjection to adult males, simply because she's a woman. If you do not have any input to this, can you direct me to someone who does? Thank you for your time! And your web page is very enlightening!! - Carolyn in Alaska
RESPONSE: Some years ago I wrote an article on this in one of the 1993 "PLIM REPORT" issues entitled "Laws Regulating Women's Clothing--Heads Covered/No Pants." This article is not on the web yet, but here is the essence of it. This is very deep question because it goes beyond the physical male-female relationship. Using the scriptures and keeping in mind that they are allegories or symbols pointed to spiritual principles, one can see the answer.
First of all, when Elohim created Adam He created him in his own image and likeness. This means not only in the physical form, but also psychologically. Now Elohim is male and female in principle within His self (Gn. 1:26). So this means that Adam was a hermaphrodite, male-female. Now wondering which part ruled Adam, the male or female component, is a foolish question, for they are a unity and opposites working harmoniously together.
Elohim knowing mankind could not understand the duality of the male-female principle, except they be physical separated, did this. Elohim took the Woman out the man making them separate (Gn. 2:21-25).
Keep in mind that neither of these principles are dominant. All the attributes of Yahweh have this male-female aspect. For example, intelligence, Love, justice, etc., have a male-female counterpart. Now the male side of intelligence is cold scientific, rational or logical, looking at only the physical side. The female aspect of intelligence is warm, caring, intuitive, inspiring. Both parts of intelligence (logical-intuitive) are needed to be creative. Now the man Adam came first, then the woman Eve, but the true Man, Yahshua the Messiah came through the woman Mary as Paul said (1 Cor. 8-12). John said in Revelation that the woman was clothed in the SUN, which is a type of the Messiah (Rev. 12:1).
After Adam & Eve transgressed, the female part was made subject to the man, who is playing out the role of Yahshua the redeemer. Now the two had to come together to bring forth offspring. So the male is playing the role of a quickener or the Holy Spirit and the woman represents that which will be quickened or transformed.
Another way of saying this is that the Male is the Creator and the woman is the Creation. You cannot have one without the other, just like you cannot have a Savior without souls to be saved. In the spirit there are no physical males and females.
Israel is always referred to as the woman and Yahweh the creator is referred to as her husband (Isa. 54:5; Jer 3:1-9). In the Law of Moses, it was the man that had all the rights and power for the man could divorce his wife, but the woman could not divorce her husband (Deu. 24:1-4). Now those men who are carnal minded use this verse to rule over the woman today and the feminists feel this law discriminates. Now both side are wrong in their interpretation for they fail to see that this law was pointing to Yahshua and his bride. Paul said it this way. "For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church (Eph 5:30-32)."
Now we know the Messiah fulfilled the Law of Moses and moved it out of the way whereby we can worship Elohim in Spirit and Truth (Jn. 4:24). The Messiah prayed a prayer to the Father to makes His disciples one as "you and I am ONE" (Jn. 17:20-26). Now the soul is the feminine part, and the Holy Spirit is the male part that quickening our soul as the sperm quickening the egg; just as in the Greek story, Psyche was female and Cupid was male.
Before we were one with the Holy Spirit, our mind or ego was the male part. To be separated from the creator and led by our ego is being "uncovered" in the spirit. Many Christians interpreted this "uncovering" physically and require physical women to put something (a physical hat or scarf) on their heads to cover them.
Now Paul is trying to get this Greek Corinth assembly to see that is why the man ruled the woman under the law. The people did not see they were types of the Messiah-male and His bride-female.
In today's society males and female are supposed to be equal, but you have cultures that are stuck in the past. Simply put, we are kings and queens, co-equals, as it was with in the beginning with Adam and Eve.
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