I HEARD A VOICE FROM HEAVEN, Part Two
By Dr. Henry C. Kinley
Dr. Kinley gave this lecture in Los Angeles, California. Part Two of his lecture covers the importance of John's vision confirming Moses' vision. A copy of the tape was transcribed by Dr. BJaie Gordon, Treasurer of the Downtown Chicago Branch School, June 1986. NOTE: Although the True Names were revealed to Dr. Kinley in a vision in 1931, he used Lord, God, and Jesus Christ until he published Elohim, The Archetype Original Pattern of the Universe in 1961. Minor editorial changes also have been made for clarity and to preserve the flow of thought.
You know of the hypothesis of recent data that states God is dead. Now the reason why people say those things are because the present day ministry is preaching their education, themselves, and their understanding and comprehension of God to people. There is no heart-to-heart feeling of the Ever-Presence of God in them. ... That too is not quite done according to the way it should be.
Now I want to tell you this. What I am about to say will almost be a fixer. I told you many times that His Name is not Jesus, as is written in your Bible. His Name is YAHSHUA the Messiah. I showed you that Gods name was YAHWEHor YAH. YAH is the most important part.
Now let me return to my text and work with this a little bit. In the first chapter of Revelation, I want you to read the introduction back there. Whoever reads, read fast, because I want to get through this text.
READER: "The revelation of Jesus Christ (Yahshua the Messiah) which Yahweh gave unto Him..."
DR. KINLEY: "...which Yahweh..." LISTEN FOLKS! THAT IS THE GOD OF THIS UNIVERSES NAME!! HES RELUCTANT to be known or called by any other name, so say the Scriptures (Acts 4:12). Now, I dont have time to go into that.
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Yahshua the Messiah said in the fifth chapter of St. John ... "I HAVE COME IN MY FATHERS NAME ... (John 5:43)." Now everybody in here TAKES YOUR FATHERS NAME when youre BORN IN THE FAMILY. DONT YOU? ANSWER ME!!!
AUDIENCE: Yes!!
DR. KINLEY: His fathers name is not God. If His Fathers Name was YAHWEH, then His Sons name would have to be similar to it if the Son is to come in the family. JESUS CHRIST IS NO PARTS OF IT [does not have any similarity to the fathers name] so its not true. There isnt a Jew in the world today to whom the adoption and the covenants were given that knows anything at all about it, [that will accept Jesus Christ as their savior]. THEYLL DIE THE DEATH OF AN OUTCAST DOG BEFORE THEYLL EVER ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST, BECAUSE IT IS NOT SO.
Now you can swell up [get angry] if you want to, but thats the truth. Now I dont want to argue about it. I just told you about it. Im not here this morning to argue with anyone about anything.
Im here to tell you about a voice I heard from Heaven, and Im here to tell you what I heard from that voice from Heaven. It carried me on back to that Vision.
It carried me clear on back into the Godhead Itself, as you call it. Made me see ... UNDERSTAND AND KNOW GOD, AS HE REALLY IS AND AS HE ACTUALLY EXISTS! THAT is the thing that I have been trying my best to get over to you in this School. I told you repeatedly this School never would have an existence had it not been for just that! THE TRUTH IS OFFENSIVE. ITS OFFENSIVE TO THE WORLD ... THEYRE NOT GOING TO ACCEPT IT. They didnt accept the Truth from Yahshua the Messiah, Who is the Truth Itself ... You know YOURSELF, that the Sanhedrin Council would not accept it, so its no new thing.
Now here, we have...here. Repeat what you just read, there, in the first chapter of Revelation.
READER: "The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto Him ... to show unto His servants..."
DR. KINLEY: Now, John did NOT JUST want TO TELL THEM ABOUT IT, but TO SHOW unto His servants. Read, please!
READER: "...things which must shortly come to pass..."
DR. KINLEY: "...THINGS WHICH MUST SHORTLY COME TO PASS..."
Do events in the past foretell the future?
Now I want to put emphasis on this. I told you to begin with that there is nothing that WILL BE THAT HASNT ALREADY HAPPENED in the past (Isa. 46:9-10).
Somebody would jump up and say: LISTEN, YOURE WRONG ABOUT THAT. I BEG YOUR PARDON, I AM NOT WRONG ABOUT IT. Well, why did you say that? Because if a new creation will happen, dont you realize it was due at that time. THE WAY HE CREATED THAT OLD ONE IS THE SAME WAY HELL CREATE A NEW ONE. THAT will happen in the Hereafter. SINCE IT WAS IN THE HEREAFTER, IT WAS ALREADY IN THE BEGINNING. & Now the Purpose and Plan have to repeat themselves over and over, over and over.
Now, let me focus on this. John is telling you here the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him the answers to show unto His servants, things that must shortly happen. He went on and said this about the things that must shortly happen. Now whats happening is that the Purpose is just working over and over, repeated down through the Dispensations and Ages. Listen carefully. listen carefully now.
Why was John on the Isle of Patmos?
John was out there on the Isle of Patmos to hear and to see a Vision. Thats what this mans purpose was. John was to confirm what Moses had said about the Creation and about history, and about the things that had already been in the past.
The Messiah told the Disciples ... His Apostles this. He said ... the Devil will put some of you into prison, and some of you, he will put to death. But the Messiah said: "Be thou faithful unto death and I will give thee a crown of Life (Rev. 2:10)." When He told each one of them what was going to befall them before He ascended, there was one man there [Peter], who wanted to know about John (John 20:20-21). The Messiah had not said anything about him. The Messiah never told us what was going to happen to John. Now whats going to happen to him? And so He said to him: "What if I will that he tarry, until I come, what is that to thee?" God preserved JOHNS LIFE through all those murderous scrapes, imprisonment, trials, and tribulations. God brought him out of it every time so that he could be on the Isle of Patmos to receive the Vision. He had to CONFIRM what Moses and the Prophets had seen (See John on the top right side of the chart above and Moses on the top left side of the chart). And then, Yahshua the Messiah had to prove everything that Moses and the Prophets had said. Now he had to be a witness to it out there, thats why he was out there on that island ...
What did Moses see in Mt. Sinai?
Ive tried repeatedly to show you this. ... When Moses went up here into the mountain, he saw that Great Heavenly Anthropomorphic Being, as we often express it, or here in Exodus 24:9 and 10 (See man on chart above pictured to the right of Moses and below the word 'THE')... Brother, ITS IN THE BOOK!! God called Moses in the midst of the Cloud and he saw THAT figure in the midst of the cloud. Up in the mountain, the Cloud covered the mountain and Moses saw it up there. Moses was supposed to write in a book what he saw in that Cloud and the book was to be dedicated and sprinkled with blood. It was a covenant.
He saw Him as a Great Heavenly Anthropomorphic Being. What Moses saw pertained to the creation. Im talking about the physical universe. He said that, in the beginning, God created the Heaven, the Earth, and the world. The Earth was void. ... Im just making a long story short and trying to tell you so you can see it. In the first chapter of Genesis, hes writing what he saw in the Vision. ...
Did it take God seven days to create the heaven and earth?
Moses didnt know anything [of his own human intellect and reasoning] about what God did on the first day or second day. And the fact of the matter, is that God never did anything on a day anyway. GOD CREATED THE UNIVERSE IN THE REALM OF ETERNITY. HE DIDNT CREATE IT IN A NUMBER OF DAYS!! Because God would have to have a day in order to create a day within a day. God created the universe in the Realm of Eternity. THIS UNIVERSE DIDNT, COME IN EXISTENCE IN A NUMBER OF DAYS!! God inhabited Eternity. When Moses headed into the midst of that Cloud, he heard a voice. Just like John heard on the Isle of Patmos. John said, I heard a voice from Heaven! Heres Moses back here, HEARING THE VOICE FROM HEAVEN! He said, I heard it. He said that the voice said, LET THERE BE LIGHT, and there was light (Gen. 1:3). Moses is hearing something, too. And he went on down into the second day and HE HEARD THE VOICE AGAIN. It said, Let the Waters from beneath the Earth be divided from the Waters from above (Gen. 1:6).
Does Moses vision confirm Johns vision?
Moses is hearing everything and hes seeingjust like John, out on the Isle of Patmos, hes hearing and hes seeing. If what Moses wrote down was the Truth, then it has to be confirmed by John on the Isle of Patmos (see John on top right side of chart on p. 9). John said this on the Isle of Patmos. and the Earth was surrounded by water, so saith Mosesin the beginning of his Vision. It doesnt mean in the Beginning of Creation ... (the tape has an interruption at this point) ... NO, THATS NOT THE BEGINNING OF CREATION. The Creation of the Heavens and the Earth, is not the Beginning of Creation! But well then, if thats not the Beginning of Creation, THEN WHAT IS THE BEGINNING OF CREATION?!!
Is Elohim the beginning of creation?
I want you to see what the actual Beginning of Creation was. God or YAHWEH is Spirit and incomprehensible. You cant see Him. You cant hear Him. You cant taste Him. You cant smell HIM. NOTHING!! Therefore, if you cant perceive Him exactly, you cant give a description of Him at all. Well, HeZaphad to take on shape and form, and that is Elohim, this shape and form, which comes from Pure Spirit. And He had to take on that shape and form BEFORE HE BEGAN TO CREATE ANYTHING!! And Moses now saw Him there. He saw Him first in this shape and form.
Lets see how that figures out. If thats true, then Moses saw Him first. Then he saw the Earth surrounded by water, there ... Im talking about Moses. For John to verify and to confirm this, he cant see anything different. And Moses said ... the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters and the Earth was inundated or surrounded by waters. Thats what Moses saw in the Beginning of his Vision of the Creation of the physical Heavens and Earth.
How do we know whether Moses' and John's visions are true?
Now we catch the validity of the story. Now here is John, HE MUST TO BE IN THE SELFSAME CONDITION! John is on the Isle of Patmos, and an island is certainly that which is surrounded by water. As Moses said, in the beginning that the Earth was surrounded by water. And he HEARD Him speak, heard that voice from Heaven.
And John is out here on the Isle of Patmosas I told youto verify and to confirm it, so he had to be on an island surrounded by water. I just got through telling you that Moses saw Him in a vision as a Man. And there, the Spirit of God spoke with him, that he heard from Heaven. John turned to see that ... he saw the selfsame thing that Moses had seen, when he was up in the mountain and here he is out there on the Isle of Patmos. And now, it goes on down to confirm everything that was done. And as we go on down, we see what Moses has written and what John has written in the Book, and the things that, as we told you, that shall be Hereafter. Were showing you how it was nothing else, but just a constant repetition, over and over and over.
Does Johns vision of Elohim compare to the pattern?
And when John turned around, he saw the Sanctuary up there. Moses said he saw the Tabernacle ... and he was told to make that. And now, John describes Him and said... this is the Sanctum of Sanctorums, just like the Transfiguration of Him. And now,... John is on the Isle of Patmos, saying, His eyes were as flames of fire and, His feet as burnished brass (Rev. 1:17). And when you look at the Pattern at the Outer Court, the vessels are a Brazen Altar and a Brazen Laver ... BRAZEN thats down at the feet there, thats what Moses is seeing. And he was told to make that Tabernacle because it is a Pattern or a figure of Heavenly things (Heb. 8:5). And so Moses made it just like it was. So then, this is Him transfigured, so that His feet must be as the feet of burnished brass. And then, when John looked at Him, he saw Him walking in the Midst of the Seven Golden Candlesticks (Rev. 1:12, see man on p. 9 to the left of John pictured under the word 'UNIVERSE'). Somebody says, well, listen Doc, I want you to come on up out of the Old Testament. I want you to read to me over here in the New Testament. Well, I beg your pardon. You just dont understand what the New Testament is. This is as far over as you can get. John says that he saw Him walking in the Midst of the Seven Golden Candlestick and He had the Seven Stars in His right hand. And He said now, John, write what you see it in a book and send it to the SEVEN CHURCHES, WHICH IS IN ASIA!!
Did Peter go to Rome or Babylon?
That pains the Devil! & And you dont see where God told John to send his manuscript out to the Vatican to have it imprimatured by anybody there, He said, send it to the Seven Churches, which is in Asiathats where the voice from Heaven said to send it. And thats where John sent itto the Seven Churches in Asia.
Now sometimes I wonder, why He said to send it to the Seven Churches which are in Asia. For that reason we had the map drawn out, so that you can see where the Seven Assemblies were. JUST BEFORE THE MESSIAH ASCENDED, He told them: "When ye, therefore shall see the Abomination of Desolation, spoken of by Daniel the Prophet, STAND IN THE HOLY PLACE, whosoever readeth, let him understand (Matt. 24:15)." Understand what the Holy Place is. When you begin to check it out by the Pattern, this is the Outer Court, this is the Holy Place here, and then, you pass on through the Vail and go into the Most Holy Place. And this is synonymous and symbolical to the Throne of God, where John is hearing the Voice from Heaven. And now Johns standing in the Holy Place.
When you get it all figured out according to the geographical maps of the Earth, you will understand where Peter, Paul, and John were sent. Peter went to Babylon. The Papacy said Peter went to Rome. The Devil said he didnt go to Babylon, they say he went to Rome. But the Stone that was cut loose in the mountain, rolled down through Babylon, down through Media and Persia, Grecia, and on down into Rome.
And the Messiah told Peter about this. He said that when Peter was young he girded himself and he went where he wanted to, but WHEN PETER WAS OLD, he would be girded by someone else and taken someplace where he didnt want to go (John 20:18). And if you look up the history of it, youll find that Peter was in Mary Marks housethe mother of John Mark. I dont have time to go into all of the story. But it had been PREDETERMINED, back in the prophecies that Peter was to go to Babylon. And so Mark girded Peter, and he took him on into the head of that thing [to Babylon, the head of the man that Nebuchanezzar dreamed]. And, that head is a boss. This head here. He took him on into the head, or took him on into Babylon, and Peter died there, too. And now heres the Apostle Paul, I told you about him, he went on to Rome.
Why did John go to Patmos?
And John went to the Isle of Patmos. Now if you look where the geographical location of the Isle of Patmos is, youll find it in the chest cavity. And thats where John was in the Sabbath, on the scene ... in the Spirit, on the Lords Day. He heard that Voice from Heaven saying, Write! He was in the Spirit and heard that voice saying, What you see, write it in a book and send it to the Seven Churches which is in Asia. & Johns Life was preserved that he be on the Isle of Patmos, and he cleared up so that Genesis, Revelation and ALL of that would come together. And it would be a confirmation that this whole entire Revelation, from Genesis to Revelation, or from modern day beliefs are entirely different, that means their arguments, the Beginning and the Endings, and there would be no, foolishness in its operations and its functions.
Does Dr. Kinleys vision confirm both Moses and Johns visions?
When I saw and understood the vision that I had seen, it was contrary to what I had in my mind. So then, I had to go on back and show you THAT I SAW THE SELFSAME VISION that Moses saw and that John saw, on the Isle of Patmos. I CAME TO IMPART IT TO YOU, in the close of this Dispensation and Age. And its up to YOU whether you want to believe or not. I know good and well that theologians are not going to believe the things that I say to you, any more so than the Sanhedrin Council believed the Messiah and the Apostles in those days. But nevertheless, IT IS TRUE! And I want you to see here, & what Moses saw about building the Sanctuary, which he saw and about the figure here. And I want to bring it on down through the Ages, so that you can see.
Now we talked about Moses seeing and hearing that Voice from Heaven. It must be confirmed. Moses, back there hearinglisten close , because ITS HARD TO UTTER. Thats the reason why Paul said, I knew a man, above fourteen years ago, that was exalted up into the third heaven, and HEARD THINGS IMPOSSIBLE FOR A MAN TO UTTER! If the Holy Spirit dont utter it through me, I cant utter it to save my life! Your education is insufficient and inadequate! And then, neither can you understand it, unless you give some attention to it. You cant fool with the baby and think about the biscuits, or something you left on the stove. Youre not going to do too well even after you have listened close and tried to understand. Youre not going to do too well at that. But, I want you to see and understand that the Vision that was given to me confirmed what Moses, all of the Prophets, and John on the Isle of Patmos saw, and I want you to see how it fits together with unerring accuracy. And, I have said, repeatedly, if what God showed me in a vision didnt confirm what the rest of em said, it wasnt no good. But if it confirmed it, you cant deny it and the same things will judge you in the last day. And Im trying to give you an opportunity to assess what I have been telling you ALL the time. In Christendom, they are not going to allow you to preach and to teach like this. Because first of all, they dont know themselves what theyre talking about.
What purpose does the pattern serve?
God told Moses to make all things according to the Pattern which was shown him in the Mount. When Moses came down the Mount, he had organized everything according to that Pattern which he saw in the Mount. And that Pattern was a Tabernacle or Sanctuary. It had a Most Holy Place, it had a Holy Place, and an Outer Court. Now it was three-fold, one, two, three, there it is, there. And that was a PATTERN AND FIGURE OF EVERYTHING THAT THERE IS IN EXISTENCE! IT DOESNT MAKE A DIFFERENCE WHAT IT IS! GOD AND THE CREATION! Thats the Pattern of it! And if you dont understand that, you dont know what its all about. It doesnt make any difference where you come from. It doesnt make any difference about your credentials nor your education. YOU DONT KNOW WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT. YOU JUST DONT KNOW, THATS ALL IT IS TO IT!!
End Part two